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Hey guys, what if the key of Europe's energy future is

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sitting in the trunk of yesterday's electric car? Today on

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StartupRaid IO, we're talking to David Odansia,

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CEO of Voltfang, the startup that turns EV batteries

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into grid stabilizing green powerhouses. We'll

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ask how did a broken camper battery lead to a

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15 million US dollar raise? What's behind Europe's

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biggest second life battery factory? And how do you pitch

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a vision bold enough to replace coal?

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You don't want to miss this. Stay tuned.

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Welcome to Startuprad IO,

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your podcast and YouTube blog covering the German

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startup scene with news, interviews and

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live events.

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David Usanti is the CEO and co founder of Voltfang, a

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German climate tech startup that transforms used electric

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car batteries into cutting edge stationary

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energy storage systems. With a background in

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industrial engineering from rvthen

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R wth Aachen, David leads one

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of Europe's most ambitious second life battery

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initiatives. A company that just raised 15 million

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euros, opened the continent's largest second

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life battery factory and secured projects with

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partners like Stuttgart Airport and grid operators.

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WorldFunk's technology is not only reducing

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CO2, but also decentralizing energy security

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across Europe. David, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having me. Totally my pleasure. We. We already made some

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jokes before we started, so we both pretty relaxed.

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Take us back to the camper trip that sparked

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world fun. When did you realize there was a business

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behind repurposing EV batteries? And are you still

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camping? I wish. I

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actually wish I was still camping. It's. It's a

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long time ago when I. When we were camping the last time.

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But to start the story, I'm David, co founder and CEO

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of Vol. I'm originally from Cologne, so in Germany we say

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Kung. Then I moved to Aachen because of my studies 10 years

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ago, roughly 11, where I also met my two co founders,

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Afin and Roman. So we. We started studying

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together at the rwth. And if you

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are studying there, you always want to escape

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when the exams, the exam phase is over.

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So what we did, we bought a camper van together. And the

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reason was just to get out, to get to the Netherlands, to the Belgium,

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to every kind of party, festival or vacation

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we could to get some freedom back. And that's what we did.

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We bought a camper van, an old time of year Ducato,

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which we lovely called Mia.

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And with Mia we did everything. And the

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problem was just that Mia is an old timer

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with not such a huge motorization and the batteries

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was as old as MIA. And in Germany you need to be 30

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years or plus years old to be an old timer. Therefore you know

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how degraded the battery was. So our idea was to

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change first of all the battery storage system inside of

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it and also to integrate a solar panel on the roof. Because

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if anybody, everybody wants to charge their phones, then the battery gets

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empty extremely quickly. So we decided to do that. Roman

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just jumped on the roof and put a solar panel

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from ebay Klein inside, inside of it or on top of it.

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And then the idea was, which kind of battery shall we take? And

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we found out that you could buy Tesla batteries

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just out of the Eber Kleinenzeigen. And

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therefore we said, why shouldn't we take them? Easy

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answer, way too heavy. And the motorization is so bad we just

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go downhill if we want to get up a hill. Therefore

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we decided not to do that and

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we bought another battery storage and then we put it

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inside. Everything was fine. But a few weeks later,

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Roman's father just asked him why, whether he knows where to buy

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a storage system for his workshop. So he has a

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solar panel on the roof and he wants to consume as much solar

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as possible. And we engineers are really

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naive and we think we can do everything. Therefore Rohan just said,

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we can build you one. And that's what we actually did.

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We just closed the doors behind ourselves

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for we anticipated three days. In the end it was two weeks

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to build a storage system with these kind of Tesla modules, everything

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based on open source. And after two weeks and a

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lot of, no, not a lot really less sleep,

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we were able to actually run the system.

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studies, we don't want to just end up in a corporate, we want to do

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something which matters. And actually we want to be free also in our work.

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Therefore we said, look, let's just sell it from the

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neighbor to the next neighbor and maybe to five other neighbors. So that

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was the idea, just to sell one by another. And we

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didn't even thought about VC startup and raising

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a lot of money and so on, so forth. We just thought, maybe that's a

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solid business. And after the university, when you

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don't do it after university, when shall you do it then? And therefore

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we started World Fund.

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Interesting story. I have to admit. Taking it

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from there, what was your first major

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challenge like tech regulation or team that

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made you doubt that your idea may work?

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we had the tech, we had a prototype running,

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we didn't have so much knowledge about batteries. Therefore the tech was one of the

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biggest things, we actually didn't care about regulation so much. We just said,

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okay, they have pilot projects, we just start and try. And

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therefore we didn't, we didn't think so much about regulation

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and the team, since we three are friends

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and long time friends, we didn't care about the team

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either. And also the RWTH has a lot of

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engineers who are like minded, therefore that was also not

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an issue. So tech was the biggest thing and selling our storage

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systems with the limited amount of capital we had

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in the beginning. So we just said, look, how could we develop

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something with so much so less money? And

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then we tried to sell something which we didn't even have and it

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was actually really hard. And

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then like after a half a year, one year, we still was

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wasn't able to sell one. But that was also the time

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we thought shall we do that? Maybe it doesn't work out, and so on,

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so forth. But since we started, since we said

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why it should work, because it's logic

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that we need something like this. If you have solar, you need to store it

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somewhere either or you will put everything into

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the grid and destabilize it. So we said, look, we just do it

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for one, two years and if it doesn't work out, we try something

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different. But actually it worked out.

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I see, so at one point

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you realized it works out. I was wondering when you

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were a student in Aachen,

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now you're cleantech founder, helping to rewire your

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script, did that also change your self image?

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Totally. To be completely honest, it

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changed it totally. I in the university,

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if you are at the RWTH and you are not the smartest person on earth,

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you will be average or below average. And therefore I always had the

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feeling of not fitting because all the others

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were way better engineers. For example, Afshin, which is one of the brightest minds

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I know, Roman as well. And therefore I always had

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the feeling of not being being able to do what the engineers are doing.

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didn't knew what in the future I actually

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will be bringing value of.

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And that was something I had in the beginning. Now I know actually somebody

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who can, who is not the inventor, but who can

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explain what we have invented to people in

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easy words is. Is also something necessary and therefore

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it changed completely. My confidence boosted.

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We hold ourselves humble all the time. But still

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after five years, after building up a not

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small company anymore, rather a big company,

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you have some self confidence in your decisions, in the

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skills you have, and therefore it changed.

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I see. From our audience, I

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would like to Know what made you believe in your

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startup, share in the comments and or tag us

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wherever you're sharing this. We are on LinkedIn, we are an

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ax, we're in blue sky threads and so on and so forth.

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From a very good spot. Let's take us

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to your darkest day. There must have been a day when

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a pilot failed a route, a funding round almost fell

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through. What kept you from giving up?

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So the most important thing in the whole

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journey is Roman and Afcin the team.

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Since we we had always like a customer

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said I want to have the storage system, huge deal. Then they dropped.

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We had funding rounds where we had really,

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really less time actually to pay everybody.

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And always we always kept each other's back.

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That was incredibly important. If something doesn't

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work out, it was not like I told you so. It was like how can

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I help? Let's keep on doing it, otherwise we do something different

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and we will be successful either way. And this kind of

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mindset helped us through a lot of. A lot of

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phases which weren't good and but we

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still keep on doing it because we said what shall we

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lose? What have we. What can we lose? And

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therefore we just keep on going. The friendship

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just grew and actually these

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things together were like the resilience we needed to overcome this kind

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of. Yeah. Darker times.

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I actually plan to put right here some questions about your co

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founder and team dynamics. That works really well. You've lived and worked

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with your co founders for years. What is the biggest I do.

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What is the biggest people lesson you had to learn the hard

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way there? Actually my two confidants and I,

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we still are living together and

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we share a dog and we do a lot of

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things together, sometimes also on vacation and things like this. Therefore

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one thing I learned which is really important is having

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people around you you can trust who have the same values and who

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are loyal. This is such a relief in your

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whole life and who actually keep on

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want to to. You want to compete with them, you want to be better. You

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the best of yourself. Therefore this

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is something which is really good. But on

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the hard way. The most important thing is

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sales people can sell themselves really

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good. Therefore if you think you

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have the best salesperson on earth, you

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can be completely wrong. And that's something we learned on

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a hardware. A lot of times.

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You and your two co founders still live together. Just between you

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and me and something like 50,000 listeners, who's the one who doesn't do the

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dishes? All three are not so good

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at this. Therefore let's Call

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it all of us. I see, that's fine

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but we don't. Do so much dishes anyways because

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we are always late at work. But, but to be, to be fair,

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we have really strict things who is

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doing what. So for example, Roman is most of the times

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like getting the groceries. Afin is the one of the best

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cooks and I do the rest.

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Okay, I see going a little bit into

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a potential emotional toll here you are operating at the heart

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of energy, climate and impact. What's

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been a personal toll of building this climate

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tech rocket ship. So if you don't want to

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make it your living or your your life,

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then you will probably have a hard time to be

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successful. What I heard from my family

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in the last few months, a lot of times you are,

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you haven't been around at the weekends and so much

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you weren't available over the last five years. So much.

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Because I actually had a lot of things to

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do and if I'm not doing that, I'm

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trying to take my time and calm down. So

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it needs also a lot of self discipline,

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a lot of time and also a lot of focus on

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yourself to be the best you can for the company,

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for the team and for the growth. So you,

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you for sure you have your time with your family, your friends, but it's

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lesser than before. Plus

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I also do feel the value of just sitting

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in the evening outside on our covered porch here. Just

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be by yourself, do something you enjoy, for example, listening to an

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audiobook and just have to do nothing. No, to do that gets

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a very much higher value over time. Totally. Having a

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book, reading it and being completely by yourself

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is incredibly helpful for calming down. Talking about

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breaks here. We will be back after our short ad break

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here. Then we talk about make or break moments, founder

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Hope to have you back soon.

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Hey guys, welcome back to the interview with David

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from Voltfang. We've been talking about a lot

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already and now I want to dig a little bit deeper. The make

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or break moment you've transitioned from a startup

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to scale up. Was there point

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when you had to pivot hard or double down? Yes, a

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lot of times. So in the beginning

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we started as a residual storage

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provider. So for the home storage we figured out

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that's not the best way to grow. Therefore we decided

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to pivot into commercial industrial. We did a

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lot of things by ourselves which we said no, we need to

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focus and focus and focus. Therefore

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we needed to pivot from home storage to

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commercial industrial storage system. We needed to Also

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change sometimes the business plan, the strategy,

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so on, so forth. So yes, a lot of times

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you need to always evolve yourself. You need to, you

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have a lot of evolutions within yourself as

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the company leader, but also the company as itself.

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I was wondering, is there like one moment that extremely,

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extremely has been sticking to your mind for that. When

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we started, we wanted to give the people

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the opportunity to actually

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produce and own their own energy. So if you

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have, if you own a home or you are living in a home, then the

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solar energy, the storage system, you can be

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as self sufficient as possible. Giving away this

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kind of dream of being able to

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help everybody to decentralize the energy, that was a

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hard moment. So what I mean is

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the pivot from home storage to commercial industrial was

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hard times. You misconception. I'm very sure

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not everything worked out the way it should be.

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But what were you completely

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wrong about when you launched like tech readiness, market

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demand, or was this something else? And how did you fix it?

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Yeah, the misconception is really in the

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DNA of an engineer to be able to do everything

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by yourself. So we started to, to develop and testing

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facility, we, we wanted to develop

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and certify a Bennett battery management system, the whole

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system by itself, then the energy management system. So we

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wanted to do everything on the horizontal

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to actually on the tech side because we thought, okay, Tesla can do

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it, why shouldn't we do it? And there was

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actually one of the biggest mixed misconceptions we,

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we had since you need

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to focus, you need to focus, focus. And again, you need to

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focus to be able to grow fast. And that's

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something we figured out rather sooner. But

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for us it was late after two years or three years.

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And therefore we burned a lot of money and

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time by following different

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paths, which in the end we needed to cut and just

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focus on the main things we need to do.

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You've shared openly about building in a

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tough space, what part of yourself felt like a

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liability, but turned out to be an asset.

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So as I mentioned, when I was studying,

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I always had the feeling that not being able to actually

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get to be able to invent something new

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is a huge liability. To not be able to

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understand everything on point in the first second

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when you were in mechanics or physics or something like this. That

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was in my opinion always a bad liability for

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myself. But this

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turned to be something my biggest asset

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where because I believe being able to understand them and

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after a while and then being able to also

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explain it to everybody was extremely important. If you

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are in a team of really true engineers.

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And therefore this is something I believe

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which is from liability to assets.

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For our audience. Guys, what's

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one founder trait you've turned from a liability in a

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powerhouse? Let us know on threads or LinkedIn.

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There are always surprises when you're an entrepreneur.

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What was the most unexpected insight you've

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learned from a customer? Supermarkets, airports or grid

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operators? So

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what we actually found out

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was that all of the companies didn't have so much

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knowledge about their energy space. They didn't knew how

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much they are actually consuming and how much they're producing, how much

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they need, what they can actually avoid

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on cost of the energy. Therefore that was

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something we actually figured out really quickly that

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we can, we need to show

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everybody what they are capable of. And

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this is something we didn't expect. But

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that's actually also something which helps us a lot to grow because

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there are so many potentials we with

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our battery storage system can take for any kind of

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customer. Therefore that was amazing to figure out. If you are a huge

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company like Bayer or something, then you know everything about your energy.

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But everything below that there you don't have the capabilities

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of actually figuring out everything. And there that's something

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we want to help with. It's like almost

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my level. I know there's a power outlet, I plug it

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in and every year I go to the cheapest provider. So

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that's it.

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Thank you for the answer so far. Now I would like to look a little

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bit ahead five years maybe. What's your moonshot for

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Voltfang? A coal free grid. European energy independence.

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So we want to decentralize Europe. We

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want to give Europe the resilience of being able

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to protect their energy transition, energy grids, everything.

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And that's something where we believe as Volfang we

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can help by becoming one of the biggest

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energy providers in Europe. We want to put

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smaller and bigger storage system everywhere in the countries

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and then also connect them to a virtual power plant with who we

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then can for example, which is also our vision

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to shut down Weissweiler which has 1.6

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gigawatt. That's actually our

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our moonshot of Voltfang getting rid of

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coal as soon as possible with the resilient

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energy grid of Europe. As a last question, I

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would like you to reflect a little bit. If your 40 year old

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self could speak to you now, what would they say about this

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moment in Voltfunk's journey? Good

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question. If a 40 years old

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self would tell me or would look at the moment right now,

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they would probably say how The F

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did. How the F did you come so far and how did

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you manage to get over the next steps? Because right

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now we have so many things which are incredibly cool,

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which we are developing right now. Where two or

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three years ago it didn't. It was like slow growth. And now

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we can really show the hockey stick, which I always promised the investors.

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But now we are able to do that. Therefore, I believe

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they will. If you look into the retrospective,

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then you will figure out how much myself,

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Voltfang and the company grew within this short amount

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of time, within the last year to the next one or two

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years. I know that from some projects, looking

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at the presentation, then looking at the real thing and think, huh, that really

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worked out. What a surprise.

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That's a. The funny thing is I'm. I never

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know how we got here, but I know where we'll go in the

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next years.

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Okay, we close with this indirect Heisenberg quote.

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David, with such a pleasure having you as guest. Best of luck and

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hope to have you back in a few years doing an update. I would

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love to. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye. Bye.

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